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Number 78 Plane Type Study - WS Tools Birmingham

Stanley 78 Rabbet Plane Parts

As with many other WS planes, it is not known how soon after the company started Plane production that they introduced the A78, but the first labels suggest that this plane may have been one at the beginning of plane manufacturing. As no A plane has surfaced and no other plane number is prefixed with a zero [except the spokeshave A], I am inclined to think that A was a 'typo' error. See ' History of WS Tools ' section for the adverts alluded to here. The base length of the A78 was always around This photo is to show you how the 78 planes can be packed into the box and in fact it would be even better if the wooden handle was separated from the body so as to avoid the fence scratching the handle's varnish. But this arrangement may not have been how they were issued from the manufacturer, we will never really know , however this packaging satisfies my past frustration at getting all the components into that small box!!

This area is rather small and somewhat fragile and can crack. Don't think many of us are gonna be using this one. It was designed to plane broad wooden surfaces such as bowling alleys, ship decks, floors, or whatever. This is Stanley's only plane that is used not on a bench in the standing position - a long handle is used to push the plane.

It's also one of the most difficult planes to find in original condition; for example, it's far easier to find a or than it is to find one of these in minty unmodified condition with the original handle. The plane has a 45" long turned round handle that slips into a pivotting hollowed receiver that's attached on the main casting, below the blade. On the handle are two maple or beech totes. Each of these totes sit atop a nickeled casting to provide a flat base. The casting has a hole through so that a forging can pass through it; the lower end of the forging is looped to slip over the handle and the upper end is threaded to receive the brass tote nut.

The totes themselves are rather primitive looking things floor planing is a rather oafish job afterall and there's really no need to provide a Mercedes when a Yugo will do with a mostly 'vertical' profile. They don't have pronounced horns like those used on the bench planes. Some users removed the horns altogether so that they could butt the totes in the palms of their hands rather than wrap their hands around them.

The totes can be positioned anywhere along the length of the handle and anywhere around the handle. The brass tote nut is loosened with a screwdriver, which then allows the handle to be rotated or moved along the handle.

When tightened, the brass nut draws the looped end of the forging upward against the wooden handle to secure it in the desired position.

Many of the brass nuts are munged from use. Many of the totes are also damaged, more often than not cracked, from use. Some guys shim the tote nut with washers in the tote's countersunk cavity so that the tote nut stands proud of the top of the tote. Most of the planes are found without the handle. It's a good bet that guys found them better for staking tomatos than for floor planing.

Most of the handles found on the planes are latter day reproductions. A missing handle seriously devalues the collectibility and that's all the plane is good for, right? The main casting is just the on tool sterrhoids, but with the aforementioned pivotting receiver.

The receiver is secuted to the main casting with a rod that screw through the cheeks of the plane the rod is slotted on the left side. Check that the receiver isn't damaged where it pivots about the rod - it can crack or break out there. A double iron is used in this tool. The iron is the same as that used on the 8 sized bench planes, but the cap iron is unique to the plane as it isn't cut out to accept an adjusting fork; the iron is adjusted manually.

If you need a cap iron, good luck finding it as this is the only Stanley plane that was equipped with such a cap iron. In fact, the only part you can snarf from this plane to use on others is the iron. But, you'd be foolish to do that, so don't.

The iron rests upon two sloping projections that arise from the main casting. These projections are milled so that they are coplanar. The iron is held in place with a simple lever cap; the lever cap is oversized and has a notch cast on its front so that it can slip under and engage another rod screwed through the cheeks when the lever cap screw is turned. The earlier models of the plane have the patent date, "PAT. The plane is sometimes found modified. As mentioned earlier, the totes are reshaped.

The plane can also be found with the sides of the sole chamfered to reduce the surface area in an attempt to cut down friction. Sometimes wooden soles are screwed to the main casting.

The most common modification is the handle receive is drilled to accept a screw so that the handle can be secured to the plane. It seems Stanley forgot this important feature. Some guys also bend the heel of the iron upward to allow for a greater range of movement on the handle receiver. Being 6' 3" tall, I can't find a position of the totes to make for a comfortable grip. One would likely be bent over somewhat to use this thing and I suspect workmen's compensation would go bankrupt if there ever were a wave of floor planing with this thing.

Have pity on those old hunchbacks you see lurking around your local Acme Bowling Lanes for they probably suffered these planes during their youth. Lucky for us floor sandahs was invented, hunh? This is a cheap, little rabbet plane, that is very useful in the shop. It has a top section that arches forward of the blade to form the front portion of the sole.

This section is adjustable, forward and backward, to regulate its mouth. This is done by means of a simple screw, which is threaded to lower section, the rear portion of the sole, of the plane. A washer sits under the screw, with the earlier examples having a brass washer.

The plane does not have its number cast into it. The lower portion of the plane's sides is machined, with the rest above the machined area japanned.

Stanley No.78 Rebate Plane - An Anatomy

The lever cap has a thumb screw to hold it and the iron in place earlier examples will have a slotted screw. There are two lugs cast into the top section under which the lever cap fits.

Sometimes the lever cap is snapped and repaired. The plane can choke easily since the lever cap serves as the chip breaker and it sits well back from the cutting edge. Despite the tendency to choke, the plane is useful for trimming and odd rabbeting.

I found it very useful when cleaning up years of grunge and paint within the window frames of double hung sash.

The section of the sole ahead of the iron is not co-planar with the sole behind the iron. The plane is purposely made this way to assist it with its cut you guys what owns the 'lectrical jointahs should know why the plane's sole is the way it is so there's no need to practice sole lapping on it. This is another popular Stanley plane, on which the company built a great fortune. Nearly every workman of the time had one of these planes in their kits. This plane was so popular and functional, that it still is made today.

Any handtool enthusiast should consider this plane, or one like it, be it a competitor's or a wooden version, as part of his arsenal. The plane has two beds for the cutter - one positioned for normal work, and the other for bullnose work. The cutter has no cap iron, and is held in place by a thumb screw activated lever cap.

Earlier models, with the common floral vines cast into the handle, required hand adjustment to set the iron, but ina lever, which engages machined grooves in the backside of the iron, was provided to accomplish this. Aroundthe handle has a fish scale-like pattern cast into it. There is an adjustable depth stop on the right hand side of the plane, secured in place by a thumb screw. Directly below the depth stop, is a three-pronged spur to score the grain that sits flush with the side of the plane.

The Stanley #78 duplex filletster and rabbet plane, first produced the a patent date visible on the body, the lack of lever adjustment for. Stanley 78 rebate plane aka duplex rabbet & filletster plane. offered - 8 1/4" long with 1 1/2" cutter. A very good general purpose rebate plane, sold in. The Stanley fillister plane number 78 reviewed. The Stanley 78 has a single spur to score the piece of wood you are planing How To Date This Plane.

It can be turned up out of the way when it isn't needed. There is no spur on the left of the plane. A rod, threaded on one end, is used as the arm on which the fence is secured. The arm can be attached either to the left of the plane, for working right-handed, or to the right of the plane, for reversing the plane to work left-handed.

This is a nice feature designed to handle problem grain while working. However, there is no provision for the depth stop on the left side of the plane, so you'll need to plane to a gauged line, or do it by eye, when using the plane left-handed.

The threaded rod has a hole drilled through it on its end. This hole permits a nail, or something similar, to pass through it in order to tighten or loosen the rod. Many of the rods are bent right where the threads start so check this area by unscrewing the rod - you'll notice whether it's bent as you unscrew it. The fence is secured to the arm with a thumb screw. Sometimes you'll find examples where the thumb screw is replaced with a slotted round head screw.

This is due either to the thumb screw being misplaced, or the original thumb screw being stripped. Look at the fence, with the thumb screw toward you. The aperture for the arm should noticeably be to the left. You can usually scrounge parts from other models, but this approach usually ends up costing you more for an assembled one than it does for buying a complete one.

It's also possible to find the plane with the section of the sole ahead of the bull nose bed snapped off. Some guys ground this section off so that they could use the plane as a chisel plane or to worked stopped rabbets right to their very end, which can't be done with this portion of the sole present.

Planes that were accidently broken will have the section brazed back onto the main casting. The 78 pictured with its original box dates from the 's, with the most obvious clue being the depth adjustment lever for the cutter. It has the common decal on the handle, which Stanley applied to many of their planes and other handtools.

Hand Tools Archive >Hi, I have bought a few Stanley bench planes, often on ebay, and seem to be able to figure out pretty well how to date them using the flow chart everyone uses for Stanley's. All I can tell from the Blood and Gore site is that they added a depth adjustment. The Stanley #78 is a plane I have kept turning to for 50 years because of its The Stanley 78 was one of Stanley's most popular carpentry tools for .. my spelling on the box label) to date as have rebate planes made in wood. And 'introduce' they did, since I cannot find any other manufacturer who produced a Double-armed Duplex Rebate plane before that of the A STANLEY never.

It can be found applied to the totes on the Bailey and Bed Rock bench planes, special purpose planes such as this one, sliding bevels, try squares, etc. The block planes and some of the other smaller planes, like the 95used a smaller decal that's noticeably yellow see the for an example of this decal. This 78 also illustrates another common occurrence with Stanley - the use of early labels on boxes of later planes.

The label on this plane, often called the "picture label" because of the line drawing of the tool contained within, was in widespread use starting around When this plane was made, Stanley was in the midst of what is known as the sweetheart era, where tools have the heart logo stamped in them somewhere. Even the box labels had a tiny heart on them as part of the logo. However, Stanley was also frugal in their unwillingness to toss something that was still perfectly usable, in this case a label.

So, here is a plane made during the 's with a label used a few decades earlier. Keep in mind that it's impossible to date accurately Stanley stuff by the boxes alone. Generally, the latest feature on the tool, in this case the label, is the more accurate clue to the plane's approximate date of manufacture.

This is a very special purpose plane, which none of us are likely to use. It is designed for the installation of weather stripping. The plane is like the normal 78except there is a detachable steel runner on the sole of the plane. Stanley claimed that this rabbet cut was particularly useful for installing the weatherstripping on the lock jamb and the head of the door.

Since the gauge is centered, the plane can be worked left or right handed in other words, reversed so that it won't split out the grain on the end of the door. The plane does not have the number 78W cast into it, and looks like any regular 78especially since the runner is often missing on the plane. The dead give-away of this plane is a captive knurled locking nut or pivotting steel locking lever located right below the cutter adjustment.

The nut or lever locks the runner to the sole of the plane. The runner has two pins - one located toward the front and the other toward the back - which fit into holes that are drilled through the plane's sole. At about the mid-point of the runner is attached a projecting boss, onto which the the locking means is fixed above.

There are several means by which the runner is locked in place. Some models carry a captive nut on the main casting, and engage threads on the boss.

Others, like the two illustrated here, have pivoting levers that engage a groove machined on the boss. Stanley did not originate this idea. Some unknown firm retro-fitted 78 's a decade or two earlier, and then resold them. These models have a runner with two long pin-like projections that engage the plane. The runner locking mechanism is a bit different in that it is a pivoting piece of metal that swings into place to engage a hook-like projection on the runner.

There is an elongated slot milled into the sole of the plane to accomodate the hook-like piece of the runner.

Thankfully, the last of the aluminum abberations. Same as the 78but cast in aluminum, including the fence, lever cap, and depth stop. If you're a collector, don't buy one that has iron anything on it. Just imagine if this thing sold like no tomorrow giving Stanley fits of aluminum marketing opportunities.

Number 78 Plane Type Study

I'd probably be writing about an aluminum shootboard or something like that. The 79 is a popular plane heck, it's one the few that is still available new.

The only knock against it that I have is that the trailing cutter's set ought to be backed off completely so that it doesn't drag behind the leading cutter, which is what is doing the actual cutting.

Those are the only real differences. These are handy little goobers used to clean up rabbets, dados, and grooves. There are two opposing cutters locked in place with thumb screws. The plane can be used for left or right cuts. There are two nose pieces which are reversible to allow for bullnose work the first image shows the plane in its bull nose configuration.

If anything bad can be said about this plane's use, it has to be that its cutters are too narrow. There are times when a rabbet is larger than this plane can handle. The earlier models have a semi-circular cutout on the top of the plane, between the two cutters.

Later planes, starting ca.

Stanley 78 dating

I had been wearing out my Reclaiming Flea Market Planes by Ernie Conover video and was in the market for a dud on which to practice Ernie's sage advice. My intention was not to get a usable piece.

In spite of poor photography and an ambiguous description, I bid and won. When it arrived I took stock of what I had. My 78 was built around Although plagued by rust and excessive wear over its lifetime, the pattern was clearly visible on the handle. Other 78's have a floral pattern cast into the handle whereas those manufactured around have a fish scale motif.

The fence, fence rod, and thumbscrew that held them all together were missing - an all too common occurrence according to my research. I have heard it theorized that countless craftsmen removed their fences and placed them in countless tool boxes where they remain forever separated like so many lost souls. The reasons given seem unclear to me so why these parts are so frequently misplaced we can only speculate.

The fact is that they were removed. Serendipity prevailed in my case as the depth stop, depth stop thumbscrew, and nicker assembly were still in place - not something one would expect.

On the brighter side, the body showed no signs of warp, there were no cracks in the casting, the sole was flat albeit with a thin, even coat of rustand everything actually worked.

I was surprised and pleased to discover that none of the screws were seized. The blade, scarred at the top by rust, is still sharp and its edge was maintained on oilstones by someone who knew what he was doing. No hollow grind from a machine for this blade, it had a bevel flat as glass, honed to the correct angle, and carefully sustained by a practiced hand of another time.

78 Duplex filletster and rabbet plane, 8 1/2"L (8 1/4", on), Keep in mind that it's impossible to date accurately Stanley stuff by the. Hi all, I recently purchased an old Stanley no. 78 plane at a flea market ($) and I had a few questions I was hoping the good people of. Stanley No 78 Duplex, Rabbet & Fillester Plane 5. Backside of Stanley No 78 Rebate Plane Showing Cutter Adjustment and Bodmer's 6/7/ Patent Date 5.

Not wanting to wander off into the details of how I cleaned her up, I will direct interested parties to Ernie Conover's video as it is an excellent how-to guide explaining everything a collector or user needs in order to refurbish a hand plane. It is short, inexpensive, and leaves nothing to the imagination. I won't leave you wondering what happened, rather I will just give a quick synopsis. Some alcohol and water was used to clean off the rust and scum.

This design gives therefore a multitude of cutting edges for use in cross-grain work. The only transfer that I have seen is RHT2 placed on top of the rear metal handle and readable from the toe of the plane. Very late planes may not have a transfer. The box lid is The cardboard is about 1. The label below shows a Type 1 plane with a crude artist's impression of the front wooden handle. The very earliest label I can find is typed on an Address label and simply labelled as a 'Rabbet Plane' [To: From:] [ Photo below right ] From then we progress to these labels [below]which were the very first labels [plain] produced by WS before the later coloured and illustrated label [above] was available.

I can now confirm that this may be true since discovering this label on other boxed planes in the UK. Could the latter have been a re-priced object on one that had been in stock and not sold in so many years!!??

The major purchase must surely have included the right to manufacture a double arm rebate plane similar to the the WS A After much deliberation that may prove to be incorrect with further research I have concluded that the first W78 was producedwith modifications, from the first Type 1 plane A78 made by WS Tools. These former castings may not have fitted into the updated machining of the Type 2. When WODEN took over the WS Manufacturing in they would have found the 'old' Type 1 castings and decided to use with modifications this old style in order to get the ball rolling in their plane manufacturing aspirations.

They modified the diameter of the 'arms' and their respective tapped holes in the body. They used the Type 2 casting of the WS fence and drilled out the hole in the top of the rear handle to a larger size. Why they modified the casting at the side of the depth adjustment lever is a mystery. Obviously they had to erase the WS name and logo from the side and inside of the plane and instead applied water transfer logos.

It must therefore be stated that the modified AW78 seen here represents the dying embers of a great company, but also the continuation of a wonderful original idea. Number 78 Plane Type Study. The W.


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